Signalgate, Venezuala and what's happening at the Pentagon

By Mary Louise Kelly,

Quil Lawrence, Tom Bowman

Published December 4, 2025 at 4:45 PM EST

What's going on at the Pentagon and what does it mean for Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth? NPR's Mary Louise Kelly, Tom Bowman and Quil Lawrence break it down in this excerpt from Sources & Methods.

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Mary Louise Kelly

Mary Louise Kelly is a co-host of All Things Considered, NPR's award-winning afternoon newsmagazine.

Quil Lawrence

Quil Lawrence is a New York-based correspondent for NPR News, covering national security, climate and veterans' issues nationwide. Previously he was NPR's Bureau Chief in Kabul and Baghdad.

Tom Bowman

Tom Bowman is a NPR National Desk reporter covering the Pentagon. He is also a co-host of NPR's Taking Cover podcast and “A Good Guy” from NPR’s Embedded.

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