NPR's Adrian Ma speaks with Charity Nebbe and Aaron Steil, hosts of Iowa Public Radio's Garden Variety podcast.
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Adrian Ma
Adrian Ma is a host and reporter for NPR's The Indicator from Planet Money, a daily podcast that helps listeners make sense of our ever-changing economy.
Michael Levitt
Michael Levitt is an assistant producer for All Things Considered. [Copyright 2025 NPR]
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