Why It's So Hard For Us To Agree About Dong From 'Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt'

Why It's So Hard For Us To Agree About Dong From 'Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt'

10:35am Apr 09, 2015
The gesture Kimmy's making doesn't mean the same thing to Dong.
The gesture Kimmy's making doesn't mean the same thing to Dong.
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  • The gesture Kimmy's making doesn't mean the same thing to Dong.

    The gesture Kimmy's making doesn't mean the same thing to Dong.

    Eric Liebowitz / Netflix

  • Dong (Ki Hong Lee) and Kimmy (Ellie Kemper), right after they meet.

    Dong (Ki Hong Lee) and Kimmy (Ellie Kemper), right after they meet.

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The very first time we encounter Dong Nguyen, one of several hotly debated characters in Tina Fey's Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, he has just introduced himself to Kimmy in their GED class. And, as surely happens to Dong all the time, ever since he immigrated to New York from Vietnam, she's stifling a giggle over his name.

"Nice to meet you, [chuckle] Dong [chuckle], I'm Kimmy," she spits out. But this time, Dong, played by Ki Hong Lee (The Maze Runner and a whole bunch of Wong Fu videos), has his own reason to snort. "In Vietnam, Kimmy means penis!" he says, leaving her stumbling for words.

It's a sweetly disarming scene. The irony that Dong is the one teasing Kimmy about her name floats completely over his head, which is partly what makes him such an endearing character: He unwittingly reclaims the gag. The joke is an equalizing force — depending on the context, both of their names can read as ridiculous.

But for a lot of viewers, including a lot of Asian-American ones, the traits that make Dong such a classic Fey-sian misfit also make him a dull, even infuriating Asian stereotype: his thickly accented, broken English; his gig delivering Chinese food by bike; his aptitude for math; his deportation-anxiety storyline. So which is it: Does Dong push back against Asian stereotypes, or does he just prop them up?

Here too, it's all about context. In the bigger, bird's-eye view of Asian-Americans on screen, the squickiness people feel over Dong is completely understandable, especially since the landscape was so desolate until recently. But within the universe of this show, Dong's foreignness completely makes sense, and it makes him a stronger character.

Unbreakable, after all, is all about foreignness. Everyone we come to care about is an outsider misfit. Kimmy just spent the past 15 years in an underground bunker, trapped by an Ariel Castro-inspired doomsday cult, and she's as new to the city as Dong. She's possibly the last person in New York still using the classified ads. She eats candy for dinner. Her struggling actor roommate finds he gets treated better in a werewolf costume than as a gay, black man. Her boss, a wealthy Native American woman, is purposely passing as white.

They're all delightfully awkward, and I think we're meant to like them more for the strangeness that binds them together. Their social ineptitudes are invitations to empathize, as The Atlantic's Megan Garber has put it.

And when it comes to Dong and Kimmy — and their budding romance — I think we're meant to root for them to bond over their shared outsiderness, not in spite of it.

But when I polled folks on Twitter about how they viewed Dong, some said they don't buy the "It's great satire!" or the "Hey, an Asian is a romantic leading man, be happy!" readings of this character.

"Too early to tell," another person tweeted at me. "Asians have been mostly one-dimensional caricatures in TV/movies for so long, they don't know what to satire yet."

Over at The Wall Street Journal, Jeff Yang fleshes out a major source of the anxiety over Dong: the inescapable comparisons to Sixteen Candles' infamous Long Duk Dong, whose catchphrases became the stuff of playground taunts for Asian-Americans growing up in the '80s. He's a foreign exchange student from some vaguely Asian country who exists solely to weird out the white suburbanites he's landed among. As I've written before, everything about that Dong is portrayed as wrong, from his accent to his size to his choice in women, and viewers are never asked to see their world through his eyes.

But in Unbreakable, Dong is the one who's constantly thrown by Kimmy's antics. In one scene, she unwittingly makes a bunch of hand gestures that mean a parade of vulgarities in Vietnam. "What's wrong with you?" he asks, shaking his head. Dong is flipping the script, as Yang puts it, something his predecessor never got to do.

The gesture Kimmy's making doesn't mean the same thing to Dong.

The gesture Kimmy's making doesn't mean the same thing to Dong.

Eric Liebowitz/Netflix

And while we don't know what's next for Kimmy and Dong — the season ends on a romantic cliffhanger — we already know it'll look way different from Sixteen Candles' final scene, in which Samantha shares a kiss with the studly all-American Jake Ryan. Kimmy's already told her Jake Ryan-esque suitor, a blonde trust-fund beau named Logan Beekman, to shove off when he reveals a few unsavory details, including that his British accent is fake. I get the feeling she dug the accent not for the reason Logan intended — it made him sound posh — but because it made him a little more of an outsider.

That's why I doubt viewers who have qualms with Dong would have been satisfied if he'd been written as a sort of anti-stereotype — a Don Draper-esque smooth talker, perhaps, or a Jesse Pinkman-like hustler instead of the model minority type he's telegraphing. After all, in Unbreakable, as Yang puts it, the "non-WASP, nonstraight, nonmale characters, as mad and antic as they are, serve as the series' empathic anchors." In a show like this, would we root for a character like that?

On the other hand, if there were simply more Asian-American male characters on screen, falling along a wider personality spectrum, would Dong — with his accent, his name, his job and his math savvy — activate so many viewers' Spidey senses? I happen to have a name people poke fun at, I'm pretty OK at math and I used to work at a Chinese restaurant. The problem with Dong isn't that he's unrealistic. It's that we've seen the broad strokes of this character before, and in a landscape this limited, that grates, even if this show is doing something interesting with him.

"You're kind, you're funny and both our names mean 'penis,' " Kimmy tells Dong when she admits she has a crush on him. The things that make him attractive to Kimmy, and a great character in this show, are the very things that make a lot of viewers side-eye him. And that's totally understandable in a world where you can name the notable Asian-American men on screen without running out of breath — and two of those characters are socially inept, hyperforeign outsiders named Dong. In the context of the greater history of Asian-Americans on screen, any character named Dong is going to bring up a lot of complicated feels. Maybe in a perfect world, with plenty of sitcoms with Asian-American romantic leads, it'd be possible to read this character without the weight of everything that came before.

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What happens when someone who has spent the past 15 years in a doomsday cult finds their way to New York City? A lot of hilarious encounters and some awkward moments. "Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt" is a new Netflix sitcom written by Tina Fey. And in it, Kimmy, played by Ellie Kemper, leaves her underground bunker in Indiana for the big city, where she meets a cast of quirky characters and misfits. One of them is named Dong, played by Ki Hong Lee. The character's name, Dong, might tip you off to the fact that this character, or maybe the stereotypes he's based on, has stirred up a bit of a controversy about how Asian-Americans are portrayed in pop culture. Kat Chow of NPR's Code Switch team wrote about the show and this character for the NPR Code Switch blog. She joins us now in the studio.

Hey, Kat.

KAT CHOW, BYLINE: Hey, thanks for having me on.

MARTIN: Thanks for being here. So, who is this guy? What is Dong's back-story on this show?

CHOW: So, Dong is a really fascinating character. He's played by this Korean-American actor named Ki Hong Lee. And in the show, he is good at math, he works at a Chinese restaurant delivering food, he has an accent. And he's a Vietnamese immigrant who is always worried that he's going to be deported. Now, from a distance these are all stereotypes of Asian-Americans.

MARTIN: Yes. (Laughter).

CHOW: So, that's partly why some people, including a lot of Asian-Americans, are so worried.

MARTIN: So, immediately I think, but this is a Tina Fey show. She's a sophisticated comedian, not someone I would think would want to build a one-dimensional character just to play on these kinds of stereotypes.

CHOW: Right, exactly. And actually, Dong is a really nuanced character. For example, the very first time we meet Dong, he's walking into a GED classroom and he introduces himself to Kimmy.



KI HONG LEE: (As Dong) Hello. I am Dong.

ELLIE KEMPER: (As Kimmy) Hi, Dong. I'm Kimmy.

LEE: (As Dong) In Vietnam, Kimmy means penis.


CHOW: Yeah, so that right there is where Dong - he is completely flipping the script in a sense, where to Kimmy, you hear her laughing, and she's kind of stifling this giggle where you know she wants to make the same joke that he actually makes about her name. And in that way he's kind of reclaiming the joke. And that's what really gives people a lot of hope about his character.

MARTIN: But giving him the upper hand in the joke every once in a while clearly isn't enough to appease critics who don't like, you know, what they see as a stereotypical repetition of an Asian-American. I mean, first of all, let's talk about this guy's name, Dong. You can't be a member of a certain generation - mine - without conjuring up images of Long Duk Dong.


UNIDENTIFIED ACTRESS: (As character) His name is Long Duk Dong.


GEDDE WATANABE: (As Long Duk Dong) What's happening, hot stuff?

CHOW: Yeah, exactly. So, Long Duk Dong comes from this movie called "Sixteen Candles" in 1984. And Long Duk Dong is notorious for just a parade of stereotypes of Asian-Americans that haunted Asian-Americans who grew up in the '80s. So, Long Duk Dong for example, he was a foreign exchange student from some vague, unnamed Asian country. They don't even specify where. Everything about Long Duk Dong is just postured as so different.

MARTIN: But she's clearly - Tina Fey - in naming him Dong, she's clearly - wants to make some kind of connection.

CHOW: Right, exactly. And at the same time, I think she's pushing back on it because in "Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt," Dong is different because his foreignness actually makes the show better. His foreignness is why he fits into the show. His foreignness makes him a romantic interest of Kimmy.

MARTIN: So, you're saying that these stereotypes actually work to empower this particular character in this world, in this context, it works?

CHOW: In a way because the show is one that's all about foreignness. So, if you think about Kimmy's character, she was stuck in a bunker for 15 years and now she's in New York wondering what the city is all about. And Dong, who's an immigrant from Vietnam, is also kind of wondering the same things. And they're both helping each other out. And while they're both naive, they're also savvy and they're savvy together. And the thing about this sitcom is that we're rooting for Dong. And we're rooting for the actor Ki Hong Lee because until recently, there really weren't that many Asian-Americans on TV. And it's better now, but it's still rare. So, maybe in a perfect world where there were plenty of Asian- American characters, it's possible that Dong wouldn't bother us so much.

MARTIN: NPR's Kat Chow. She writes for the NPR Code Switch blog.

Thanks so much, Kat.

CHOW: Thank you. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.

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