For someone who is blind, a simple click can be the sound of sight.

It's a technique called echolocation. Bats and other animals use it to see at night. And it's being used by an increasing number of people who are blind. They listen to how the clicking sounds they make with their tongues bounce off the world around them. It tells them a surprising amount about the world.

The technique was popularized by a man in California named Daniel Kish, who is the main subject of this week's Invisibilia, NPR's new show about human behavior. Here, show co-host Lulu Miller tells the story of a woman who encountered some unexpected complications when she tried to learn.

Wanna know a great trick for figuring out how to click? Just do what Daniel Kish told Julee-anne Bell.

"Imagine licking peanut butter off the roof of my mouth," says Bell. "As soon as I did that, I got my click."

Julee-anne, who is in her early 40s and lives near Brisbane, Australia, has been blind since birth. She first heard about echolocation when she was 38 and the mother of two boys. Up until that point, she had spent her whole life getting around unfamiliar places on someone's arm, because she felt too nervous to go out alone with a cane or guide dog.

Julee-anne Bell used to be afraid to venture out in the world without holding onto someone's arm.

Julee-anne Bell used to be afraid to venture out in the world without holding onto someone's arm.

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"Physically I would be like butterflies, like serious butterflies when you're about to go on stage or do something really scary," Julee-anne says.

But when she holds onto someone's arm, she feels as if the world returns.

In fact, it was her husband's arm that made her fall in love with him. His arm literally reached out and rescued her when a careless boyfriend left her alone and terrified one night in college.

And Thomas Bell loved having her there. "It was quite a nice feeling, actually, to have her on my arm. It sort of brought us closer together."

But that loving arm would eventually become a problem if Julee-anne was going to learn echolocation.

Julee-anne had hired Kish, who lost his sight as a toddler due to cancer and who developed the echolocation technique, to give her lessons after she heard about him on TV.

Kish flew out to Australia and spent a few days with her, teaching her how to click with her tongue and how to interpret what the echoes of those clicks meant. As they walked down the street and she clicked, he would ask: What was she detecting? A fence? A car? A tree? A person?

Once Julee-anne had mastered her click, Kish turned to a much more difficult thing to conquer — the fear of letting go of someone's arm.

Thomas understood that the goal was for Julee-anne to walk on her own, but it was hard for him to stand back.

"I would find myself walking very close," Thomas says. "I would sort of hover."

And it was hard for their sons Daniel and Joshua, too. "It was daunting and scary," Julee-anne says. "I was tense, he was tense. Everybody was tense."

But slowly she got better at the technique, which she uses while using a long white cane. (She now works as administrative manager for World Action for the Blind, the organization that Kish founded.)

Finally she decided to do something previously unthinkable: Travel alone to California to go hiking.

She met up with Daniel Kish and a few of his friends in Los Angeles, and went hiking along a steep ravine.

Suddenly, says Kish, "We heard a slidy, soily sound."

Julee-anne had fallen off the side of a cliff. At a certain point she hit rock and started rolling — "log-rolling down," says Julee-anne.

"I lost my cane, I lost my hiking stick," she says. "And you have no idea how — how is this going to end?"

Daniel Kish uses echolocation to bike and hike.

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It ended with a friend of Kish's jumping down to help her roll to a stop. Once she realized she was battered and bruised but OK, Julee-anne's first thought was of her family. "The thought I had was: They're gonna be really mad."

And they were — especially Thomas.

"I was pretty shocked and concerned," he says. "And I guess I got a bit angry."

"And of course my husband's first response was that, well, 'Daniel should have taken better care of you,' " Julee-anne says. "And I said, 'You know what, I'm a grown-up!' "

It took some time, but eventually Thomas got the message: The person he loved wanted to be let go. And he needed to let her go.

The boys spoke about this too, about how hard it was to give up being her guide. They said it made them feel proud.

And this became Julee-anne's strange struggle. She realized in healing herself, she was also hurting the people around her, in a way.

"And I didn't even realize at the time what I was doing by wrenching away," Julee-anne says. "And that's one of the reasons why I tend to hold his arm now."

The other reason is that in the last year, Thomas has become ill. It looks as if it might be multiple sclerosis.

So every day now, Julee-anne takes his arm and they walk. He uses a walking stick and she uses a cane. They walk side by side. "And that is part of how we still connect," she says.

"I'm not a terribly stable guide anymore," Thomas says. "She is sort of taking the lead and sort of caring for me."

To hear more about echolocation and how Daniel Kish uses it to ride a bike, listen to the third episode of Invisibilia, NPR's newest program. It explores how invisible things shape our behavior and our lives. The program runs on many public radio stations, and the podcast is available for download at NPR.org and on iTunes.

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Transcript

DAVID GREENE, HOST:

For someone who is blind, this can be the sound of sight.

(SOUNDBITE OF CLICKING)

GREENE: This is a technique called echolocation. It's used by an increasing number of people who are blind. They listen to how clicking sounds they make with their tongue bounce off the world around them and can determine from that a surprising amount about the world. It's a technique that was popularized by a man named Daniel Kish, who this weekend is the main subject of NPR's new show about human behavior, Invisibilia. Now Invisibilia co-host Lulu Miller has this story of a woman who encountered some unexpected complications when she tried to learn Daniel's technique.

LULU MILLER, BYLINE: Want to know a really great trick for figuring out how to click? Just do what Daniel Kish told Julee-anne Bell.

JULEE-ANNE BELL: Imagine licking peanut butter off the roof of your mouth.

MILLER: Oh.

JULEE-ANNE BELL: And as soon as I do that...

MILLER: Oh.

JULEE-ANNE BELL: ...I've got my click.

MILLER: That's pretty good.

JULEE-ANNE BELL: Thank you, peanut butter.

MILLER: Julee-anne Bell has been blind since birth and first heard about echolocation when she was 38 years old and the mother of two boys. Up until that point, she had spent her whole life getting around unfamiliar places on someone's arm.

JULEE-ANNE BELL: I really didn't feel that I had any other option.

MILLER: She said she felt too nervous with a cane or a guide dog.

JULEE-ANNE BELL: Physically, I would be, like, serious butterflies, like when you're about to go on stage or you're about to do something really scary. But when I'm holding onto someone's arm, it was like the world...

MILLER: Returned.

JULEE-ANNE BELL: Yeah.

MILLER: In fact, it was her husband's arm she fell in love with first. His arm literally reached out and rescued her when a careless boyfriend had left her alone and terrified one night in college.

JULEE-ANNE BELL: The feel of his arm is quite unique, in a sense. I'd never get it confused with anybody else, you know?

MILLER: And Thomas, her husband, loved having her on his arm, too.

THOMAS BELL: It was quite a nice feeling to have her on my arm. It sort of brought us closer together.

MILLER: Which would eventually make Daniel Kish's echolocation lessons...

DANIEL KISH: Hello.

MILLER: ...A problem.

Hi.

KISH: Hi.

MILLER: This is Daniel Kish, the aforementioned expert clicker who Julee-anne hired to give her echolocation lessons after she happened to hear about him on the TV one day. And once he had helped Julee-anne master her click...

(SOUNDBITE OF CLICKING)

MILLER: ...Daniel turned to a much more difficult thing to conquer - letting go of the arm.

JULEE-ANNE BELL: Yeah.

MILLER: He told her that when you hold on to the arm too much...

KISH: You have, in fact, failed to activate the neurology that is critical for freedom to occur.

MILLER: So he urged her to forgo the arm as much as possible.

T. BELL: I would find myself walking very close.

MILLER: Yeah.

T. BELL: I would sort of hover.

MILLER: Which was hard for Thomas.

DANIEL BELL: Yeah, you just want to grab her and be like no, go this way.

MILLER: And her two sons, Daniel and Joshua.

JOSHUA BELL: Yeah, it was daunting and scary.

T. BELL: It is. It's an emotional thing.

JULEE-ANNE BELL: I would invariably not take his arm. And it was just tense. He was tense. I was tense. Everybody was tense.

MILLER: But little by little, she got more comfortable with clicking, until finally she was so confident that she decided to do something that just months before would have been absolutely unthinkable - travel alone to California to go hiking with Daniel.

JULEE-ANNE BELL: Sunny summer day - summer day in Los Angeles, in the canyons of Los Angeles.

MILLER: So flash forward - it's Daniel and Julee-anne and a few of Daniel's friends hiking along a steep ravine...

JULEE-ANNE BELL: We're hiking along, la, la, la.

MILLER: ...When out of the blue...

KISH: We heard a scream and a slidey, soiley sound. And...

JULEE-ANNE BELL: And I went straight down the side of the cliff.

MILLER: At a certain point, she hits rock and starts rolling...

JULEE-ANNE BELL: Logrolling down the side...

MILLER: ...Really fast.

JULEE-ANNE BELL: I'm trying to grab on with anything I had. I lost my cane. I lost my hiking stick...

MILLER: And you have no idea how...

JULEE-ANNE BELL: ...Thinking, how is this going to end?

MILLER: Thankfully, a friend of Daniel's...

KISH: He jumped down.

MILLER: And helped her roll to a stop. And when she realized she was battered, bruised, but OK, her first thought was of her family.

JULEE-ANNE BELL: Yeah, the thought I had was they're going to be really mad.

MILLER: And they were...

T. BELL: I was...

MILLER: ...Especially Thomas.

T. BELL: ...Pretty shocked and concerned and, I guess, angry...

JULEE-ANNE BELL: And of course, my husband's first response is well, Daniel should have taken better care of you.

T. BELL: ...That Daniel might have put her in a dangerous situation.

JULEE-ANNE BELL: And I said, you know what? I'm a grown-up. It happens to all hikers, you know? People fall.

MILLER: It took some time. But eventually, Thomas got the message. The person he loved wanted to be let go. And he needed to let her.

T. BELL: Yeah, you really have to surrender because there's that physicality of guiding someone and the intimacy of that, so you lose that.

MILLER: Her boys spoke about this, too, how it was hard to give up being her guide.

D. BELL: You know, she'd always comment as I got older how my arm was - would get bigger and how I'd get taller. And I think I felt - trying to think - the way to phrase it - proud.

JULEE-ANNE BELL: And I didn't even realize at the time what I was doing by wrenching away. And that's one of the reasons why I tend to hold his arm now.

MILLER: The other reason is that in the last year, Thomas has become ill. It looks a little like MS. And so every day now, Julee-anne takes his arm, and they walk.

JULEE-ANNE BELL: And that is part of how we still connect.

We'll head down the street, I think, because there's a lot of space here.

He now uses a walking stick.

T. BELL: She often uses her cane, and we walk side-by-side.

(SOUNDBITE OF CLICKING)

MILLER: So it's the same gesture, but does it actually feel like a reversal?

JULEE-ANNE BELL: Yeah. Yeah.

T. BELL: Yeah, I guess metaphorically speaking, that's what's happening now. She is sort of taking the lead and sort of caring for me.

JULEE-ANNE BELL: Something here as well. (Clicking). I'm guessing it's another tree - tree-like or it could be a person. (Clicking).

GREENE: Julee-anne Bell now works for an organization founded by Daniel Kish. It's dedicated to teaching blind adults and children how to echolocate. You can hear more about that and the science behind echolocation on Invisibilia this weekend. It's NPR's new show about human behavior, co-hosted by Lulu Miller. You can hear the program on many public radio stations this weekend, and the podcast is available for download at npr.org and on iTunes. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.

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