Guess Who's Fighting To Keep Indiana Dry On Sundays?

Guess Who's Fighting To Keep Indiana Dry On Sundays?

9:52am Jul 03, 2013
Kyle Fronke inventories the wine in Kahn's Fine Wines and Spirits in Indianapolis last year. Only liquor stores in the state can sell cold beer, and on Sunday, practically all carry out alcohol sales are prohibited.
Kyle Fronke inventories the wine in Kahn's Fine Wines and Spirits in Indianapolis last year. Only liquor stores in the state can sell cold beer, and on Sunday, practically all carry out alcohol sales are prohibited.
Darron Cummings/AP

When you think summer, you might think of cold beer at a barbecue, maybe a bottle of wine with a Sunday picnic. A lot of people take it for granted that they can just go to the store and pick up alcohol.

Not in Indiana.

While many states have laws restricting liquor sales, Indiana is the only one where you can't buy packaged beer, wine and liquor on Sundays, and it's the only state that regulates alcohol sales based on temperature. Only liquor stores can sell cold beer.

Convenience stores are trying to change the laws, and — in a surprising twist — it's the state's liquor stores that are fighting back.

A sign on a window at an Elite Beverages liquor store in Indianapolis lists the store's hours.

A sign on a window at an Elite Beverages liquor store in Indianapolis lists the store's hours.

Michael Conroy/AP

The convenience stores will tell you this battle is all about, well, convenience for consumers.

Right now, if residents want to kick back with a cold beer on Sundays, they have to plan ahead. That's no good for customers — and no good for convenience stores, either, says Dave Bridgers, vice president of Thorntons, a convenience store chain.

"Not having the ability to sell what our customers want impacts our bottom line," Bridgers says.

Even though Thorntons was founded in Indiana, it hasn't opened a new store in the state since 2006 — and the state's antiquated liquor laws are the reason why, Bridgers says.

"We will continue to invest in other states," he adds, "where laws are more business friendly to our company, and where it makes the most economic sense."

Thorntons has been expanding in bordering Kentucky and Ohio instead. But, along with other retailers, it has also spent the last five years lobbying Indiana's general assembly to change the state's alcohol laws. After legislation failed to gain traction again this year, these retailers filed a federal lawsuit seeking to sell cold beer.

"You don't have choice. You don't have competition," says Scott Imus, who heads the convenience store owners' trade association. "We've done extensive price surveys at liquor stores and find that they add either $1 to $2 on a case of beer, on cold or warm. I mean, Subway doesn't charge more to heat my sandwich."

You might think that liquor stores would have the most to gain from Sunday sales. So why are they fighting to keep Indiana's blue laws intact?

Because Sundays tend to be one of the busiest shopping days anyways, most consumers would rather just pick up their alcohol at the grocery store instead of making another stop at the liquor store later in the week, argues John Livengood, head of the Indiana Association of Beverage Retailers.

Livengood has been lobbying on behalf of the liquor industry for more than two decades. And he argues that allowing Sunday sales would put about a quarter of the state's liquor stores out of business. He accuses the convenience store owners of trying to do an end-run around the legislative process.

"This looks to me kind of like a Hail Mary pass, trying to get done in the courts what they couldn't get done at the legislature," Livengood says.

But what the liquor stores are really resisting is an expansion of cold beer sales, which they argue would devastate the state's liquor industry and cause about half the stores to shut down. So this battle, says Livengood, is really about money.

"They want to come in here and change Indiana's laws so they are the same as they have in a few other states. Why? Because they want to make money," Livengood says.

So liquor stores and convenience stores are each accusing the other of being a threat to the state of Indiana. Meanwhile, it's the state's consumers, who routinely drive across the border to skirt Indiana's alcohol laws, who are stuck in the middle.

From New Albany, Ind., it's a 10-minute round trip to the closest liquor store in Louisville, Ky. On Sundays, that's where nearby Hoosiers go to buy their alcohol. It's not unusual for every car in the lot to have Indiana plates, and that will likely continue unless the laws change in neighboring Indiana.

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Transcript

DAVID GREENE, HOST:

Some Indiana residents think their state is late to the party, because they still have laws on liquor sales that are some of the most restrictive in the country. Indiana's the only one where, on Sundays, you can't buy anything in stores, packaged liquor, wine or beer. It's also the only state that regulates beer sales based on whether the beer is cold. There's a legal battle underway, and you might be surprised who's fighting to keep Indiana dry on Sundays.

Here's Sara Wittmeyer from member station WFIU.

SARA WITTMEYER, BYLINE: When you think summer, you might think of cold beer at a barbeque, maybe a bottle of wine with a Sunday picnic. A lot of people take it for granted that they can just go to the store and pick up alcohol.

It's 86 degrees here in Central Indiana. The sun is blazing, and Mark Wozniak is sitting on his back deck, looking at his perfectly manicured lawn.

MARK WOZNIAK: You have a beer right at - in the summer, after you cut the grass. That's why God invented beer.

(LAUGHTER)

WOZNIAK: It never tasted any better.

WITTMEYER: He tips back his can of Old Style and laughs.

WOZNIAK: If I was cutting the grass and only had warm beer, I'd have a water. I'd have a water with ice. I wouldn't drink warm beer.

(LAUGHTER)

WITTMEYER: And that means Wozniak has to plan ahead. In this state, he can't just run to the grocery store to pick up a cold six-pack. Only liquor stores can sell cold beer, and on Sunday, practically all carry-out alcohol sales are prohibited. For Hoosier residents, it's all about convenience. And for those convenience stores, it's about leveling the playing field with liquor stores.

DAVE BRIDGERS: Not having the ability to sell what our customers want impacts our bottom-line.

WITTMEYER: Dave Bridgers is the vice president of Thornton's. The convenience store was founded in New Albany, Indiana, but it hasn't opened a new store in the state since 2006.

BRIDGERS: We will continue to invest in other states where laws are more business-friendly to our company, and where it makes the most economic sense.

WITTMEYER: Bridgers calls Indiana's alcohol laws antiquated, and says they're the reason his company's now expanding in bordering Kentucky and Ohio instead. For the past five years, Thornton's and other retailers here have urged Indiana's General Assembly to change the state's alcohol laws. After legislation failed to gain traction again this year, they filed a federal lawsuit seeking to sell cold beer.

Scott Imus heads the group's trade association.

SCOTT IMUS: You don't have choice. You don't have competition. We've done extensive price surveys at liquor stores, and find they add either a dollar to $2 on a case of beer, on warm or cold. I mean, Subway doesn't charge me more when I ask them to heat my sandwich.

WITTMEYER: But liquor stores - which would seem to have the most to gain from Sunday sales - are actually the ones fighting to keep Indiana's blue laws intact. John Livengood heads the Indiana Association of Beverage Retailers. He's been lobbying on behalf of the liquor industry for more than two decades.

JOHN LIVENGOOD: This looks to me kind of like a Hail Mary pass, trying to get done in the courts what they couldn't get done at the legislature.

WITTMEYER: He argues that allowing Sunday sales would put about a quarter of the state's liquor stores out of business. That's because Sunday is one of the busiest shopping days, and many consumers would just pick up their alcohol at the grocery instead of making another stop at the liquor store. But what they're really resisting is an expansion of cold beer sales, which they argue would devastate the state's liquor industry, shutting down about half the stores. So this battle is less about drinking than it is about commerce.

LIVENGOOD: They want to come in here and change Indiana's laws so they're the same as they have in a few other states. And why? Because they want to make money.

WITTMEYER: So here's the deal: Liquor stores and convenience stores are each calling the other the threat. It's the consumers who are stuck in the middle, and it's common for Hoosiers to drive across the border to skirt Indiana's alcohol laws.

From New Albany, Indiana, it's a 10-minute round trip to the closest liquor store in Louisville, Kentucky. On Sundays, that's where nearby Hoosiers go to buy their alcohol. It's not unusual for every car in the lot to have Indiana plates, and that will likely continue unless the laws change in neighboring Indiana.

For NPR News, I'm Sara Wittmeyer, in Bloomington. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.

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